
Unfortunately, I wasn't able to come away the big winner for the day. I probably ended up losing around $20 or $30, but over a stretch of about 5 or 6 hours, I don't think thats too bad. Either way, I had a lot of fun.
I was with some of my friends and I'll tell you the story of one guy in particular. I have to admit that this is one of the most improbable scenarios I've ever seen, and I guess it part of the motivation for my most recent idea.
A friend of mine was betting some money before a race. He was putting $10 down on various types of bets. He put down a show, in which he had to pick a particular horse who will come first, second, or third, a win, in which he had to pick the horse who is going to win in order to succeed, but after this had about $1 left to put down on a bet. He didn't really know anything about the horses or the race in general, so he decided to go with this particular type of bet called a superfecta.
I came to learn that a superfecta is a particular type of bet in which you have to correctly predict the first four horses that come in. That is, you have to pick the first, second, third, and fourth horses in the exact order in order to make any return on your wager. This is by far and away one of the most ludicrous, outrageous, and downright improbable things to ever occur in my opinion.
I had hard enough trouble correctly predicting a horse to come in the top three, a show, and now here was this most ridiculous bet called the superfecta. Regardless, my friend decided to make the minimum $1 wager (and in my opinion, it's pretty much throwing away that $1). So, we were revved up and looking forward to the next race. I had a couple bucks on the race and was hoping to see my combinations come in.

Apparently, after needing further verification from about three other people, my friend had correctly predicted the superfecta. We were all speechless. How is it possible that my friend who knew absolutely nothing about betting on horses came through with the mother of them all?
The superfecta ended up paying out huge. The payout is dependent on the odds of the four horses that you predict, but due to the severe unlikely nature of this actually occurring, the payout is typically always a large amount. In this case my friend made a quick $125 by simply making a $1 bet. Not a bad day at the races.
The first thing that this got me thinking about, and I'm a little embarrassed to say it, is how on earth it would be possible to fix such an event such as horse racing? I was just thinking that with such an immense payoff, figuring out a way to fix one event could make a bundle of cash very quickly. However, very soon into my thought process, I started to think of more effective, and legal, ways in which to capitalize on the coolness of horse racing.
This is what led me to my idea of Ocean's 14. The Ocean's series has all revolved around very slick, cool, and fun ways of stealing money from Las Vegas or valuables from museums. Each movie has been really entertaining and has a blockbuster cast to go along with it. I thought what might be interesting is if they altered the theme slightly and entered the realm of horse racing.
Yet, I also realized that there wouldn't be a good enough reason to make a fourth movie in a series if it wasn't necessarily going to be profitable. This led me to investigate the benefits of actually creating a fourth Ocean's movie.
- Explanation
After compiling all of my data, I then made a determination about each movie in the series return on investment (ROI), which is easily calculated by taking the gain from an investment and subtracting the cost of an investment and dividing this difference by the cost of investment.
In our scenario, the mathematical equation is depicted as:
ROI = ((Net Box Office Revenue - Budget)/Budget)
I thought ROI would be a good measure to evaluate going forward with a fourth Ocean's movie, because it represents the benefit and rate of return that the large investment for the movie would necessitate.
Finally, at the end, I averaged my data from the 9 different movies with a minimum of four parts in the series to determine whether the intent of creating a fourth movie truly had any merit.
- Results
First, let us take a look at some of the data. The highest grossing film in this sample of movies was the original Star Wars from 1977. When you adjust for inflation, the film grossed over 1.163 Billion dollars. That came from a measly investment of just 46.86 Million dollars. On the opposite spectrum of that, the lowest grossing movie was the fourth sequence in the Superman series. I am personally a big fan of Superman, and am unsure as to why this film did so poorly in 1987.
According to Imdb.com, the Internet Movie Database, the tagline for this movie was, "Nuclear Power. In the best hands, it is dangerous. In the hands of Lex Luthor, it is pure evil. This is Superman's greatest battle. And it is for all of us." It only grossed 29.32 Million dollars, and actually ended up losing 2.43 Million.
These two movies help contrast the impact of the first movie in a series and the fourth movie in a series. The highest grossing movie, Star Wars, was the first in the series, whereas, the lowest grossing movie was the fourth in the series. This is a general trend, as the average gross for the first movie in a series was 308 Million, and the average gross for the fourth movie in a series was 167 Million (a reduction of %).
However, in order to truly get to our desired valuation of ROI, it was important to seek out information regarding to the budget of each movie as well.
The largest budget was used in the original Superman movie. It had a budget of 186 million. The smallest budget was used on the original Saw movie. It cost a mere 1.35 million. The Saw series has consistently had the lowest budget in the group and thus has helped their ROI tremendously.
Next, it would be helpful to look at the Net Revenue that is associated with movies in a series with a minimum of four movies. To find net revenue, you just take the gross revenue and subtract the budget requirement for the movie. This will also be helpful in determining ROI.
On average, the Net Revenue from these 9 movies varied from 333M, for the first movie in a series, to 119M for the fourth movie in a series, or a decline of 64%.
The final piece of the puzzle was to determine whether or not going ahead with producing and investing in the fourth film in a series was indeed profitable. The mechanism through which this was evaluated was based on our model of return on investment (ROI).
The results of this are well summarized in the following graph:
As a general trend, I was able to determine that on average, the first film in a series of a minimum of four returns 1,782%, the second, 403%, the third, 175%, and the fourth, 35%. These are significant declines, but the ROI is still quite decent even in the fourth movie.
Additionally, it is important to add that just because the overall average shows a positive ROI, this is certainly not always the case. For instance, Die Hard, Superman, Rambo, Indiana Jones, and Harry Potter have all had instances in which they have had negative ROI.
- Ocean's Movie Recommendation
According to Imdb.com, Ocean's Thirteen (the most recent movie in the Ocean's series), grossed 117.2M, had a budget of 85M, and therefore netted 32.2M. The ROI on Ocean's Thirteen was dismal, -62%. According to Those Answers Inc. estimates on the change in average gross, average budget, and average net revenue earned between the third and fourth movies in a series, Ocean's 14 can expect the following results:
- An 11.2% decline in Gross Revenue
- A 16.3% increase in budget spending
- A 21.4% decline in Net Revenue
The series of Harry Potter, Rambo, Superman, and Die Hard have not achieved positive ROI since falling into negative territory. There is no direct evidence to support the possibility of Ocean's 14 having this capability.
Therefore, although it would be a really fun movie and very entertaining to watch, Those Answers Inc. does not recommend a fourth motion picture in the Ocean's series.
2 comments:
Some decent ideas, but there are some shortfalls.
1. Your ROI calculation is somewhat useful for comparing movies to one another, but it does not represent the true ROI. The income generated by a movie is not the box office sales, but by the dollars returned to the studio and owners from licensing, video sales, and whatever cut of the box office sales they negotiated.
2. It was a good initial starting point to examine other movie series with 4 sequels, but you stopped too early. You have to look at other movies in the Ocean's genre. Restricting your analysis to movies with just 4 sequels, regardless of genre, is too narrow of an analysis.
3. This is a bit of a finer point, but I don't think you can accurately predict how a 4th Oceans would do without seeing a script, even though the trend analysis is somewhat useful.
4. ROI is not the only measure of success. There is Return on Equity (ROE) to be considered, as well as several other calculations you could find in an introductory finance textbook.
5. Don't assume the venture is all equity financed. If there is debt involved, it increases the risk, but could also increase the return on equity investment. Many films are financed partially with debt.
Anonymous,
Thanks for your thoughts. I agree with your analysis of my shortfalls.
I think it would be interesting to do an even further analysis, however, it just comes down to a question of time and space.
I think it truly comes down to a script.
I suppose this was an attempt to look at the potential based on historical figures. However, the numbers themselves don't tell the whole story either.
Thanks very much for reading!
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